Confession: It amuses me greatly that the people that harp on about recasts - can almost always be guaranteed to be owners of downloaded media. hypocrites. stealing music must be different than stealing shapes.
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Just because you do some wrong things does not mean you must do all things wrong.
Also: illegal music downloads aren’t made of unstable toxic materials that can corrode at any time, and be sold in the secondhand market to unsuspecting buyers.
You act as if I plan to sell my recasts as legit. You act as if we all do. It’s not true, and our community frowns upon it severely.
And all resin is made of toxic materials, and I can tell you right now that they smell like all the other resin I’ve ever received.
No person can know or speak for everyone in their community. Barely a year ago, “The BJD Community” frowned on recasting. Members of this community bought recasts anyway.
There is no way to stop people from re-selling recasts. They already are, on Ebay.
And even when people do not originally intend to sell a doll, they do. When members die, relatives sell the dolls. When people need money, they sell dolls. There is no way to stop people from selling recasts, and it is also hard to hold them accountable.
As for smell, perhaps you lucked out. Many recast BJDs have been found to be made of unstable materials that crumbled and released clouds of resin dust. At least one recast crumbled in the owner’s hands. Another smelled so bad it had to be stored in a garage. One owner had to contact a hazardous disposal service.
Recasters are not held accountable for the quality or hazards of their goods because they are not regulated the way official, legal companies are. So when things go wrong, many recasters can and do disappear.
Worse yet: many celebrities do not earn money solely on their music, but on co-promoting other things (like events, perfrumes, concerts, etc.)
BJD companies rely VERY heavily on profits from selling dolls. Losing as little as one doll a month can can take as much as half of the profits away for some smaller companies, and cause them to shut down or leave the business.
Well, in my case, they wouldn’t have been getting my money anyways… Because I’m a starving student who’s working minimum wage/part time. So. Yup.
As for the celebrities… They make like… Several million dollars, I’m not going to cry over $1.00 they didn’t get, when I pay anywhere from 30-60 dollars for concert tickets to go see them.
And I know for a fact that recasts are not nearly that bad quality anymore. Recasters are learning to speak English, and they’re learning to use way more high quality materials.
Sadly, the high-quality materials bit is not true. Recasters are learning to speak English—- and using it to say anything to make money. Last I heard, one claimed they could copy Iplehouse’s tans “perfectly” (even legit companies can’t do that.)
The new “quality has improved” campaign is a myth spread by recasters and a few people who lucked out by getting half-decent dolls. No one takes responsiblity when anything goes wrong, or if the quality changes overnight.
Being poor is not an excuse to buy recasts or steal money from doll artists. I just graduated, and make less than minimum wage. My secondhand dolls cost me less than any recast would have, so lack-of-money is not a reason to buy recasts.
If anything, lacking funds makes me more sympathetic to artists. BJD artists work hard, and funnel profits into making new dolls. I don’t feel right putting their jobs at risk over a doll.
After all, collectors are disinclined to buy sculpts that are harder to resell, or that others might see as “fakes.” So too many fakes floating around = lower resale value = a doll that is harder to sell = artists lose money.
Uh… Have you seen the DOA market place recently? People selling tinies for 1000 dollars. That’s not cheaper than any recast. AND if you’re buying second hand you’re not giving any money to the artists, and Crobi doll has already cried wolf on second hand markets because they also “steal money from the atrist”. The only ones making any money on the market place are scalpers who throw the price up as much as they possibly can to make as much money as they can and don’t care at all about the buyers.
You also clearly haven’t been actually looking at the prices of recasts.
As for “Copying” Iple resin, it wasn’t so much copying as “Do as good a job as possible”. In fact one of my good friends has told me he could try to the best of his ability, because believe it or not these people are human. And I didn’t say “high” I said “more high” which I understand should have said ‘Higher’ but it was 2AM and I was half asleep.
The few people who have “lucked out” with quality dolls is somewhere in the thousands at this point, one recaster having 3478 sold, and that’s not including people who contacted him personally. And there’s currently an entire forum where people have these dolls and they aren’t “falling apart”. Plastic is plastic.
Just to clarify, I’m not trying to change your views, I’m just trying to inform you. You’re totally free to do with your money whatever you want. It has nothing to do with me.
Those prices are skewed… did you check anywhere besides DOA :)?
I go on Flickr, Ebay, LJ, DeviantArt, and other alternative forums, and never paid more than $250 for my SDs. My CustomHouse SD was $159 secondhand. I’ve seen resin Goodreau MSDs for $80, and real Domuya MSDs under $100. That is cheaper than most recasts.
Conclusion: This is not a money issue, but a vanity issue.
Buying secondhand benefits artists. One, you aren’t hurting them by supporting recasts. Two, it advertises the company, NOT recasters. Three, BJDs that sell well secondhand increase a mold’s value. Buyers check “resale value” before buying new dolls, and most artists are proud of “good resale value.” Go ask Volks, or even Bobobie (their official forum has a secondhand section.)
Finally, you said you were trying to inform me. However, all your information either comes from the recasters themselves, or from a few people who happened to get better quality recasts. Those are very biased sources.
None of your posts related to my points that no one is accountable for the bad-quality recasts (1), or that users already sell these dolls on the secondhand market to unsuspecting buyers (2). Have you also considered that many people who get a toxic doll don’t complain publically, for fear of outing themselves as “recast buyers?”
As I stated earlier, not all plastic is created equal… badly mixed resin is very dangerous, and spreading this risk is unacceptable.
Buying recasts is not just a personal decision. This decision affects others: BJD artists, secondhand buyers, and those you live with (if a doll is toxic.)
So, I wonder: Are you trying to inform, or advertise?
Alright, I know people who have sent their recasts to labs WITH THEIR LEGIT DOLLS and the findings came back as they are the same materials. That’s good enough for you?
I refuse to buy a Volks doll second hand unless I know explicitly that they are not recasts, and I refuse to pay over $200 more for any doll than it was originally marketed with.
I have only found 1 BBB doll I’ve ever liked, and therefore have no reason to go purchasing from them either.
I’m sorry I can’t be held accountable for every freaking person on the planet? Or even a small group of people who I have never met before. These people are not welcome in our community, and they have nothing to do with us. We do find out when they’ve broken the rules and that are ostracized.
No. I’m not trying to advertise. Did I NOT just say “Spend your money whichever the way you want to”?
I’m tired of this debate. It’s not going to bring down the world if I buy a piece of plastic. Do you kill thousands of people by buying from Target? Walmart? That… KMart thing down there? Nope. You do fund sweatshops though, which is why I buy from pretty much none of those people, but you know. Dolls. They’re worse.
Also I keep my dolls in my room, with the door and vent closed, and with the window open most of the time. It’s been two months, I’m still alive. I’m not dying of any disease I didn’t have before I bought a recast, so I’m going to take a shot in the dark and say I’m fine.
I do not care what other people do with their money. It doesn’t affect second hand buyers if I never sell my dolls, and they are destroyed/sold with in my community when I die… Or if they’re buried with me, because my dolls only pertain to me. It doesn’t effect the artist if I wasn’t planning to spend $400-$1000 on their bloody dolls in the first place.
Bolding things makes me sound more important.
Also I’m done now. Because I’m tired of this debate, and I really don’t want to change people’s views. But, you know, I’m eating babies and what not.
Magicmage you are a cool dude and a lot more patient about this whole stupid debate than I could ever be. My argument basically only boils down to ‘I bought a recast I don’t care and also fuck the secondhand market’ lmao.